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Plato’s final hours recounted in scroll found in Vesuvius ash
The Guardian ^ | 04 28 2024 | Lorenzo Tondo

Posted on 05/01/2024 7:44:39 PM PDT by yesthatjallen

Newly deciphered passages from a papyrus scroll that was buried beneath layers of volcanic ash after the AD79 eruption of Mount Vesuvius may have shed light on the final hours of Plato, a key figure in the history of western philosophy.

In a groundbreaking discovery, the ancient scroll was found to contain a previously unknown narrative detailing how the Greek philosopher spent his last evening, describing how he listened to music played on a flute by a Thracian slave girl.

Despite battling a fever and being on the brink of death, Plato – who was known as a disciple of Socrates and a mentor to Aristotle, and who died in Athens around 348BC – retained enough lucidity to critique the musician for her lack of rhythm, the account suggests.

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KEYWORDS: ancientgreece; aristocles; chaldeanguest; epigraphyandlanguage; godsgravesglyphs; illaofthepapyri; plato; romanempire; vesuvius; villaofthepapyri
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1 posted on 05/01/2024 7:44:39 PM PDT by yesthatjallen
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To: yesthatjallen

Geez Louise, everybody’s a critic....


2 posted on 05/01/2024 7:52:40 PM PDT by dayglored (Strange Women Lying In Ponds Distributing Swords! Arthur Pendragon in 2024)
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To: yesthatjallen

Plato should be cancelled for owning a slave girl.


3 posted on 05/01/2024 7:56:47 PM PDT by HYPOCRACY (Brandon's pronouns: Xi/Hur)
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To: SunkenCiv

Ping


4 posted on 05/01/2024 7:57:37 PM PDT by rdl6989 ( )
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To: HYPOCRACY

True, but Plato himself was also a slave. So how does this work?


5 posted on 05/01/2024 7:58:11 PM PDT by dayglored (Strange Women Lying In Ponds Distributing Swords! Arthur Pendragon in 2024)
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To: HYPOCRACY

> Plato should be cancelled for owning a slave girl. <

Yes indeed. I just reported him to my local TLM chapter.

TLM = Thracian Lives Matter


6 posted on 05/01/2024 8:00:11 PM PDT by Leaning Right (The steal is real.)
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To: dayglored

It’s all Greek to me.


7 posted on 05/01/2024 8:01:01 PM PDT by HYPOCRACY (Brandon's pronouns: Xi/Hur)
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To: yesthatjallen

Thracian slave girls were well known for other talents, oh yeah


8 posted on 05/01/2024 8:03:04 PM PDT by baclava
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To: dayglored

He noted the slave girl’s lack of rhythm, one wonders what he’d have to say about modern time’s rap music or auto-tuned vocals.


9 posted on 05/01/2024 8:04:17 PM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: Blue Highway

he would probably appreciate them a lot more than the AI content drivel that is being created and then sold on amazon currently


10 posted on 05/01/2024 8:11:18 PM PDT by algore
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To: yesthatjallen
...a Thracian slave girl.

So that's what they called them in those days.

11 posted on 05/01/2024 8:12:58 PM PDT by Bullish (...And just like that, I was dropped from the ping-list)
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...what he’d have to say about modern time’s rap music or auto-tuned vocals.

He'd throw up like everyone else.

12 posted on 05/01/2024 8:14:46 PM PDT by Bullish (...And just like that, I was dropped from the ping-list)
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13 posted on 05/01/2024 8:21:21 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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There are hundreds, if not thousands of these charred scrolls from the Roman houses around Vesuvius. I expect more and more to be deciphered as imaging and AI processing gets increasingly better.

A lot happened in Rome after the eruption, but there should still be quite a bit of Roman Republic and Greek writing rediscovered. Can’t wait!


14 posted on 05/01/2024 8:25:48 PM PDT by VanShuyten ("...that all the donkeys were dead. I know nothing as to the fate of the less valuable animals)
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To: Blue Highway

At least we know she wasn’t black if she was without rhythm.


15 posted on 05/01/2024 8:34:55 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Weird how the invading hordes of illegal foreign deadbeats didn't start until FJB took the throne.)
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To: yesthatjallen

When Plato found out that he wasn’t a planet anymore life just wasn’t worth living ...


16 posted on 05/01/2024 8:43:48 PM PDT by x
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To: HYPOCRACY

But Plato had been sold into slavery, then subsequently had he freedom bought back, decades before he listened to that slave girl (not sure he actually owned her, she might have been a loaner from a friend.)


17 posted on 05/01/2024 8:59:18 PM PDT by JohnBovenmyer (Biden/Harris events are called dodo ops)
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To: FlingWingFlyer; yesthatjallen
> At least we know she wasn’t black if she was without rhythm.

The Thracians (people of Thrace, an area northeast of ancient Greece) were considered barbarous and warlike, but were notable for their red hair and blue eyes, and admired for their poetry and music.

Spartacus was a Thracian.

18 posted on 05/01/2024 9:18:42 PM PDT by dayglored (Strange Women Lying In Ponds Distributing Swords! Arthur Pendragon in 2024)
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To: yesthatjallen

“died in Athens around 348BC – retained enough lucidity to critique the musician for her lack of rhythm”

I think the slave girl did him in by hitting him over the head with the flute.


19 posted on 05/01/2024 9:35:47 PM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you "care" ! Guilting you is how they control you. )
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"Plato should be cancelled for owning a slave girl."

She wasn't black so he gets a pass.


20 posted on 05/01/2024 9:40:35 PM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you "care" ! Guilting you is how they control you. )
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