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What 10 Years of U.S. Meddling in Ukraine Have Wrought (Spoiler Alert: Not Democracy)
Real Clear Investigations ^ | Aaron Mate

Posted on 05/01/2024 5:45:30 PM PDT by hardspunned

In successfully lobbying Congress for an additional $61 billion in Ukraine war funding, an effort that ended this month with celebratory Democrats waving Ukrainian flags in the House chamber, President Biden has cast his administration’s standoff with Russia as an existential test for democracy.

“What makes our moment rare is that freedom and democracy are under attack, both at home and overseas,” Biden declared in his State of the Union address in March. “History is watching, just like history watched three years ago on January 6th.”

While Biden’s narrative is widely accepted by Washington’s political establishment, a close examination of the president and his top principals’ record dating back to the Obama administration reveals a different picture. Far from protecting democracy from Kyiv to Washington, their role in Ukraine looks more like epic meddling resulting in political upheaval for both countries.

(Excerpt) Read more at realclearinvestigations.com ...


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A long read but very informative. The piece lays out the administrative state’s successful effort to undermine Ukraine and start the proxy war. Mate goes into much detail regarding how Trump’s meddling in the process was overcome and how the process was used to help destroy his administration.
1 posted on 05/01/2024 5:45:30 PM PDT by hardspunned
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To: hardspunned

It’s what Obama was trying to do with Libya, Syria, and every other location our state department meddled in.
And this is what they term “Success”.


2 posted on 05/01/2024 5:47:24 PM PDT by Darksheare (Those who support liberal "Republicans" summarily support every action by same. )
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3 posted on 05/01/2024 5:51:16 PM PDT by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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To: hardspunned

Here, I fixed it

“What ten years of Russian invasions have wrought”


4 posted on 05/01/2024 5:58:22 PM PDT by Uncle Lonny
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To: hardspunned

A new nazi country, two impeachments, the destruction of the Dollar, Biden in the White Hut, and record profits for Lockheed and Raytheon?


5 posted on 05/01/2024 5:59:23 PM PDT by DesertRhino (2016 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2024... RETURN OF THE JEDI. )
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To: hardspunned

“Over the last decade, Ukraine has been the battleground in a proxy war between the U.S. and Russia – a conflict massively escalated by the Kremlin’s invasion in 2022. The fight erupted in early 2014, when Biden and his team, then serving in the Obama administration, supported the overthrow of Ukraine’s elected president, Viktor Yanukovych. “

The whole premis pretends Putin and Russian intellience was not overtly and covertly meddling in Ukraine, since long before Obama and 2014, with multiple Urkraine leaders poinsoned or otherwise killed by Putin. The pretense suggests western nations were going to ignore all that.

The “proxy” war was begun by Putin before the 2022 invasion and before the 2014 takeover of Crimea.

As much as Biden and Obama bunhdled things they did not create the political conditions of post-Soviet Ukraine - they inherited them, which juss as in Russia includes an exconomic and political influence of oligrarchs which arose in the immediate post-Soviet era, all across the former Soviet Union. (That was bound to happen with the absence of any pre-existing true “free market” capitalists and a political elite able to use elite positions to gain economic advantage. I remember one economic report in the 1990s that claimed at the time the Russian mob controlled something like 60% of the banks in Russia and similarly in other parts of the former Soviet Union.)


6 posted on 05/01/2024 5:59:49 PM PDT by Wuli ( )
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To: hardspunned

The “Snipers’ Massacre” on the Maidan in Ukraine
September 2015
Conference: Annual Meeting of American Political Science AssociationAt: San Francisco
Authors:
Ivan Katchanovski at University of Ottawa
Ivan Katchanovski
University of Ottawa
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/266855828_The_Snipers‘_Massacre_on_the_Maidan_in_Ukraine

Many citations at the link.


7 posted on 05/01/2024 6:02:42 PM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51; Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: Uncle Lonny
“What ten years of Russian invasions have wrought”

Exactly. Russia's objective prior to 2014, and ever since, has been the political and cultural obliteration of Ukraine. No more Ukrainian Orthodox Church, no more Ukrainian language, Russian control of every part of the economy, manpower drafted to the Russian Army, children deported into the Russian interior for "re-education", und-und-und. These are the alternatives Ukraine rejected in 2014.

8 posted on 05/01/2024 6:13:23 PM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan
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To: Chad C. Mulligan

Ok...Chad


9 posted on 05/01/2024 6:14:24 PM PDT by SheepWhisperer (Get involved with, or start a home fellowship group. It will be the final church. ACTS 2:42-47)
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To: Uncle Lonny

Thanks for administrative state’s slandering of the article you obviously didn’t read. Speaking of the article your DS handlers have forbidden you to read, what part did Putin play in the DS/Uke impeachment of Trump? Oh, I see, just check the Vindman/Russia, Russia, Russia narrative for your response.


10 posted on 05/01/2024 6:15:45 PM PDT by hardspunned (Former DC GOP globalist stooge)
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11 posted on 05/01/2024 6:21:56 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (The worst thing about censorship is █████ ██ ████ ████ ████ █ ███████ ████. FJB.)
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To: hardspunned

This article explains why I have usually referred to the Ukraine-Russia conflict as an artificial war. It was prefabricated by the Obama -Biden regime to suit their own purposes.


12 posted on 05/01/2024 6:23:37 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard ( Resist the narrative. )
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Thanks for administrative state’s slandering of the article you obviously didn’t read

Oh, he read the article alright. But you didn't read his response. Off you went into some la-la land about impeaching Trump.

13 posted on 05/01/2024 6:27:48 PM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan
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To: hardspunned

What has over a century of Russia meddling in the US brought us?

Besides aiding and abetting the commies, Marxists and their sympathizers taking over 90% industry/institution.

Day 18 still no devastating Iranian attack off the tester.

Week 2 still no nukes that mayb e were going to be launched last week.


14 posted on 05/01/2024 6:38:53 PM PDT by Freest Republican
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To: Wuli
The whole premis pretends Putin and Russian intellience was not overtly and covertly meddling in Ukraine, since long before Obama and 2014, with multiple Urkraine leaders poinsoned or otherwise killed by Putin. The pretense suggests western nations were going to ignore all that.

Indeed. The pro-Russian side always ignore the fact that the protests in 2014 arose because of Russia's pressuring of Yanukovych to disavow the EU/Ukraine agreement that he had previously supported and had been approved by the democratically elected parliament. Putin was trying to use Yanukovych to force Ukraine into a economic union with Russia. They also gloss over the fact that there were two presidential elections since then.

16 posted on 05/01/2024 7:17:28 PM PDT by Petrosius
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Zeeper propagandists like Chad C. Mulligan continue to deny the CIA's involvement in the illegal coup in Ukraine in 2014.

This report links both a Soros' organization and the CIA to the coup:

By its own count, Soros’ International Renaissance Foundation spent over $109 million in Ukraine between 2004 and 2014. In leaked documents, a former IRF board member even bragged that its partners “were the main driving force and the foundation of the Maidan movement,” and that without Soros’ funding, “the revolution might not have succeeded.” Weeks after the coup, an IRF strategy document noted, “Like during the Maidan protests, IRF representatives are in the midst of Ukraine’s transition process.”

Jeffrey Sachs, a Columbia University professor who advised Ukraine on economic policy in the early 1990s, visited Kyiv shortly after the coup to consult with the new government. 

“I was taken around the Maidan where people were still milling around,” Sachs recalls. “And the American NGOs were around there, and they were describing to me: ‘Oh we paid for this, we paid for that. We funded this insurrection.’ It turned my stomach.” Sachs believes that these groups were acting at the behest of U.S. intelligence. To go about “funding this uprising,” he says, “they didn't do that on their own as nice NGOs. This is off-budget financing for a U.S. regime-change operation.”

17 posted on 05/01/2024 7:34:05 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: USA-FRANCE; MeganC
Exactly what many of us have been trying to tell you Zelenskyy/Ukraine cheerleaders, as you called us insulting names questioning our patriotism.

Rad & learn you useful idiots. You're the puppets of those trying to destroy this nation of ours. Quit being their puppets that dance to their lies & propaganda.

18 posted on 05/01/2024 7:41:59 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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“as you called us insulting names questioning our patriotism.”

Say something nice about America. I ask this as too many of your cohort can’t or won’t do so.

So if you will claim to be patriotic to America then it should be no problem for you to tell me what you love about our country.


19 posted on 05/01/2024 9:36:43 PM PDT by MeganC ("Russians are subhuman" - posted by Kazan 8 March 2024)
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“…questioning our patriotism.”

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Evidently, those who do not forcefully denounce the Neo-Soviet / Islamic / Communist Alliance (Russia, Iran, North Korea, China) are either wittingly or unwittingly anti-American. And anti-patriotic.


20 posted on 05/02/2024 6:42:55 AM PDT by USA-FRANCE (The only thing needed for Evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing.)
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